Curse

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by codemonkey

Ah yes, my first experience of winsock was as a freshmen in college. From there I moved to DirectX 2.0 and all hope of simplicity was gone...

CodeMonkey

lol

ya...I can't count the number of times I'll be sitting at work thinking "I remember the days when programming was simple....."

kaya · Jun 09, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

maybe this topic needs to be closed :P it's getting gay!

we should have two topics = "post here if your for the patch" and "post here if your against the patch" then the topic hopefully wouldnt result in name calling and pointing fingers. It's childish!

Del12 · Jun 09, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

All i have to say is...

"you are the ascended ones glint told me about, come in, come in!"
....
"In a cave to the west, is a creature of <something> and <something"
"Bring me the spectral essence of this beast and I will infuse it into your armor"

Thank god for only one infusion run because if I have to watch that cinematic one more time because some newb joined the group and won't skip even though its 7/8....I've seen that 5 times for 3 characters.

And as for rune traders, was it really that hard to go to any area and type:
"WTB: rune of so and so." Yes, it may take 2 MAYBE 3 minutes to get response (given it was the rarest of the rare runes). Man what a grind. I haven't seen the rune traders yet but hopefully they priced runes pretty high so that people can still sell under those prices and earn gold. Personally I thought the whole 'economy' part of the game was just another cool part of it.

Stur · Jun 09, 2005, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Lastly, if you thought ANET wasn't ever going to take the step in the direction they're going now, what the hell were you thinking? It's been said over and over again that this is a game of "Skill based not time played"

I have been gaming for years and I am well aware of what role playing is, and yes there are levels role playing games but those games a on a higher level they explore creativity and ones ability to use his imagination to explore endless possibilities, to lump video games in is a joke. I was more referring to the mechanics of the mass market rpgs that you pick up at best buy........

And to the question above I expected them to preserve the integrity of the PvE experience and not sacrifice it for the sake of the PvP fans. I don’t think that’s asking to much.

Awol Duteq · Jun 09, 2005, 06:34 PM // 18:34

If its a game based on skill, not time spent, then why have it marketed as an RPG at all. In fact, why have PVE period? As it is becoming, there is no purpose to exploring in pve. In fact, some of the games entire zones are pointless (dragons gullets etc).

Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Awol Duteq

If its a game based on skill, not time spent, then why have it marketed as an RPG at all. In fact, why have PVE period? As it is becoming, there is no purpose to exploring in pve. In fact, some of the games entire zones are pointless (dragons gullets etc).

They are pointless because there are no rewards in them? You dont have a PvE mindset then. Exploring them IS the point. You cant beat a RPG... you can finish the story in a CRPG, you can finish the campaign, but you do not win at the end (planescape, no?).

codemonkey · Jun 09, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Del

All i have to say is...

"you are the ascended ones glint told me about, come in, come in!"
....
"In a cave to the west, is a creature of <something> and <something"
"Bring me the spectral essence of this beast and I will infuse it into your armor"

Thank god for only one infusion run because if I have to watch that cinematic one more time because some newb joined the group and won't skip even though its 7/8....I've seen that 5 times for 3 characters.

And as for rune traders, was it really that hard to go to any area and type:
"WTB: rune of so and so." Yes, it may take 2 MAYBE 3 minutes to get response (given it was the rarest of the rare runes). Man what a grind. I haven't seen the rune traders yet but hopefully they priced runes pretty high so that people can still sell under those prices and earn gold. Personally I thought the whole 'economy' part of the game was just another cool part of it.

I found the rune guy last night (the one in the main A. City is in the crafters corner). His runes are reasonable in price too. Some are "wtf?" in cost, but reasonable given the rise in cost buying them from humans. As a rune trader I'll tell ya it doesn't really hurt me too too much. Many runes are still 380gp to 450gp (which is around the price I sell them for) for minor runes. The majors are highly dependant on what people like (Major Vigor was like 18 platinum last night).

So it doesn't really hurt the system all that much, because any good major rune is going to run you at least 2.5K to 3.5K which was the going price for many of the runes people were selling (i.e. fast casting, wilderness survival, etc.) The trader, in my opinion, brings down the outrageous prices from 80K-90K to 15K-20K.

Anyway you look at it, that's a lot of K's

And the rune trader didn't seem to have all the runes you can get (i.e. I saw no Superior Vigor). Might have just missed it though.

The rare item trader is right up there as well. Fur is still over 300gp as well as steel and such. The cheapest thing I saw was leather squares for 150gp (which hurts my sales at 250gp). None of which I'll cry our moan or complain about.

Thanks,

CodeMonkey
PS: I did notice I could sell a piece of linen for 275gp. I can take 5 fibers and make one outside Fort Ranik for 200gp and resell to the trader for 275gp...hmm

Shadow_Avenger · Jun 09, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Hmm, speaking of no grind RPG's try Arx Fatilis. http://www.arxfatalis-online.com/index_eng.php.

Played that a couple of years ago, couldn't beat the boss with my character in the end, but the journy there is the most atmospheric , non grind I have ever played in a RPG. Good look trying to get hold of it, but if you are a real RPG nut, try it. Other recommends are gothic and gothic 2. These are single player and fairly hardcore.
I.e. YOU DIE ITS GAME OVER. always remember to save and save often.
These are true rpg /adventure games, ones that require you to think, solve puzzles rather than just hack/slash level like Diablo,Dungeon Seige and GW.

Keesa · Jun 09, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by codemonkey

Anyway you look at it, that's a lot of K's

And the rune trader didn't seem to have all the runes you can get (i.e. I saw no Superior Vigor). Might have just missed it though.

In Droknar's last night, Superior Vigor sold out as I was moving the rune to the trade button. I received the "I'm sorry, I no longer have any of these in stock" message and laughed a little bit. That was as close to the majority of my trading experiences as I could get:

Player: "WTS Rune of XYZ for XX plat"
Me whisper: "I'll buy it"
Player whispers back: "k meet me at storage"
I go over to storage and wait.
Me whisper to Player: "I'm at storage"
Player whispers back: "o I already sold it to someone else"

I like the rune trader.

CtrlAltDel · Jun 09, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

only people pissed about the rune trader are people that were ripping off less informed players

if you are trying to get 2500 for a 200 rune, shame on you...sorry you've been exposed

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

only people pissed about the rune trader are people that were ripping off less informed players

if you are trying to get 2500 for a 200 rune, shame on you...sorry you've been exposed

I'm pissed about the rune trader....and I've given runes away before. The Rune trader is just awful...ArenaNet is not supporting the PvE aspect of this game at all....and as hard as it may be to believe they marketed it as an RPG......PvP players might want EVERYTHING NOW...but those of us that enjoyed the PvE aspect of the game are getting rooked...and will continue to get rooked as ArenaNet will continue making the game easier...continue making everything an instant gratification.

Nokomis · Jun 09, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

Code Monkey is slang for that most underappreciated of creatures, the software programmer. Underpaid, overworked, violated every which way and not given any real involvement in conceptual or design work, the Code Monkey tirelessly cranks out code to the specifications given. Code Monkeys, we salute thee.

Oh no no no. software programmers are the SECOND most underappreciated class of creatures. FIRST most underappreciated goes to the documentation team...you know, the tech writers. Come on, anyone who has worked for a software company knows that the scribblers are even lower on the totem pole than the code monkeys.

Unless of course we are talking about outsourced code monkeys, because you can't buy yourself a decent scribbler in India.

--Nokomis (A scribbler who likes code monkeys)

Red Rumm · Jun 09, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

The rune trader is good in my eye. But the rest of the game is getting to easy. Ashes used to be a quest you could measure your skills on, now its a joke. Same with most of the last missions. No more "great job guys", now its just "that was easy". I enjoy competition and don't need god mode to play a game. I don't like the direction this is going.

Keesa · Jun 09, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I'm pissed about the rune trader....and I've given runes away before. The Rune trader is just awful...ArenaNet is not supporting the PvE aspect of this game at all....and as hard as it may be to believe they marketed it as an RPG......PvP players might want EVERYTHING NOW...but those of us that enjoyed the PvE aspect of the game are getting rooked...and will continue to get rooked as ArenaNet will continue making the game easier...continue making everything an instant gratification.

Most PvP players I know want to unlock runes, not buy them.

eventhorizen · Jun 09, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

If you people complaining that the game is too easy because you don't have to grind for stuff now, why don't you just play every mission 5 times with only 5 skills on your skill bar and leave the rest of us alone. No one is keeping you from grinding and farming on your own if you want, but the great thing is now we DON'T have to farm and waste our time.

Well see thats just the point. You do have to farm cash to buy the runes, meaning those people with limited skills or lack of game knowledge that were not piling up the runes previously only have to go and farm some low level mob for a few hours to get ANY rune they so desire. Infact simply by sitting outside Lions Arch for a weekend you could conceivably get EVERY superior rune for your character.
Before the patch aquiring multiple runes took a bit of skill as only tough monsters dropped them, plus they were random, so getting a full set of superior runes for your specific character was an exceptional ACHIEVMENT.
Now any fool with spare time can get them. Thats what I call grinding at the expense of gameplay..

Also the SoC. They have removed the skill/timing in capturing the skill, but the bosses are still random. So rather than addressing the problem of having to find multiple random boss spawns for your class, which you STILL HAVE TO FIND. Instead they make the capturing process, which required a bit of timing and care at least, totally fool proof.

Sure, if you know the location of a boss you have a 1 in 6 chance of finding the correct class, and you can NOT fail to capture an elite. Its still totally random whether you get the right class, which was the main arguement afaik against SoC, but if you get lucky and kill the boss you get the skill.

So this patch has basiclly made anything in the game that required a bit of skill, game knowledge, etc. totally grindable by any fool with spare time.

Yay

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Keesa

Most PvP players I know want to unlock runes, not buy them.

then wouldn't you have a problem with mobs having less drops?? that would increase the grind....not decrease it

Shadow_Avenger · Jun 09, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

If my heating ever breaks I'll just open this thread to keep me warm.

Rasp · Jun 09, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I'm pissed about the rune trader....and I've given runes away before. The Rune trader is just awful...ArenaNet is not supporting the PvE aspect of this game at all....and as hard as it may be to believe they marketed it as an RPG......PvP players might want EVERYTHING NOW...but those of us that enjoyed the PvE aspect of the game are getting rooked...and will continue to get rooked as ArenaNet will continue making the game easier...continue making everything an instant gratification.

This is quite a funny post IMO.

Arena Net is supposively catering to the PVP people by adding the rune trader? How is this, please do explain. The PVP people want to UNLOCK runes, not buy them. Also, those runes for sell are not free. Obviously you have to work towards buying them by farming. You're just talking out of your arse.

This game is not a typical MMORPG, quit trying to act like it is/ever was. If you want a typical MMORPG, then try WoW or EQ. Hence the name, Guild WARS.

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by Rasp

This is quite a funny post IMO.

Arena Net is supposively catering to the PVP people by adding the rune trader? How is this, please do explain. The PVP people want to UNLOCK runes, not buy them. Also, those runes for sell are not free. Obviously you have to work towards buying them by farming. You're just talking out of your arse.

farming? they killed that with the patch...you can't farm anymore because mobs drop less.....therefore the grind is increased....not decreased.

Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger

Hmm, speaking of no grind RPG's try Arx Fatilis. http://www.arxfatalis-online.com/index_eng.php.

Played that a couple of years ago, couldn't beat the boss with my character in the end, but the journy there is the most atmospheric , non grind I have ever played in a RPG. Good look trying to get hold of it, but if you are a real RPG nut, try it. Other recommends are gothic and gothic 2. These are single player and fairly hardcore.
I.e. YOU DIE ITS GAME OVER. always remember to save and save often.
These are true rpg /adventure games, ones that require you to think, solve puzzles rather than just hack/slash level like Diablo,Dungeon Seige and GW.

... i am speechless... someone mentioned the exact same games i was thinking of.

To those who never enjoyed Gothic I: Have you seen a game where the weaponsmith leaves his s´forge at night(yes there is a day and night circle), and goes to his house? And where you then can fool around? Like actually crafting weapons? I dont mean selecting the forge and clicking "craft sword", i mean heating iron in the furnance, hammering it, cooling it down and sharpening it, and everything requires a seperate player command and triggers an animation? Sure as hell, thats "grind" if you play the game to beat it. But it was one of the greatest things i have ever seen in a game. Now tell me how beating the same mob over and over again, leaving the area and beating the same mob over and over again can compete with that?